SEPT 1984 - #2 ****************************** ARTICLE ********************************* The Origin of the Name "Leupp" According to One Source From the History of New Brunswick, New Jersey, p. 262 The name "Lupp", by the way, becoming "Leupp" in later days, is thus explained (as to the change) by the late John H. Leupp, Esq., in a letter to the author as follows: "The family originally came from Nieuweid on the Rhine. When my uncle Charles M., of New York, was visiting that place about 1840 he saw on the old gravestones the name spelled Lupp, and thought the dots over the u indicated e and, that the spelling should not be lost entirely, incorporated the e in the name, and the other members of the family agreeing, the spelling was changed to the prevailing mode" [Ed. Note: These are the New Jersey Lupp's, apparently the descendants of Gerlach Lupp. Some of the descendants of Judge Henry Loop (son of Capt. Peter) changed their names from Loop to Leupp about the same time. This seems to indicate some social link between the New Jersey Lupp's and the Hudson Valley Loop's. I have found no indication that the New Jersey Lupp's ever adopted the spelling "Loop".] +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ VITAL DATA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Extract of the will of Jacob Henry Loop of Westfield, Chautauqua County, New York, 6 OCT 1886: Wife: Melissa Children: Harry E. Loop John N. Loop Florence M. Loop Sula [?] M. Loop (deceased) Grandchildren: Edward O. Loop (adopted son) Mamie Maud Watts (daughter of deceased daughter) [i.e., Edward O. Loop was his son's son whom Jacob Henry Loop adopted when his son died.] Marriages, Boone County, Illinois: Philo Curtis m. Rebecca Loop 19 JUN 1844 George W. Hyler m. Julia A. Loop 16 APR 1848 William D. Small m. Sarah B. Loop 2 MAY 1858 Charles B. Loop m. Maria J. Pierce 30 NOV 1859 Information extracted from "Boone County Past and Present": Charles B. Loop, Postmaster, born Steuben County, NY 12 OCT 1835. Came to Illinois at early age. In Civil War. married Maria J. Pierce in 1858, four children. Information extracted from the history of Harrison and Mercer Counties, Missouri: George W. Hyler, farmer, born Steuben County, married Julia A. Loop, daughter of Henry Loop, she born 1823 in Steuben County, [they had] 6 children. +++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS +++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. Those typewritten articles that look like chapters of a book about Loops are interesting, but seem to be of only marginal genealogical value. Does anyone know who wrote them? Are they the work of Carol S. Valentine, the genealogist that the Loop Association hired back in the 20's to write a history of the Loop family? I'm referring, of course, to "The Influence of Captain Peter and Dr. David Loop", etc. The general lack of references in the book and the frequently implausible leaps of inference made by its author are enough to drive this researcher up the wall. I wouldn't put much faith in anything written in the book without separate verification. (By the way, I find the assertion that the Hudson River Luiks or Lukes have anything to do with our Lupps and Loops to be a bit far-fetched.) That being said, would someone out there please volunteer to send me a copy of the chapter on the descendants of Christian Loop. It's one I haven't seen, and there's always hope it will contain something useful. 2. Debra Loop Maier take note: I have been trying to piece together a picture of the history of Martin Loop, the progenitor of the North East, PA, Loops. Here are some of the facts: a. Two letters from Admah Irwin Loop state that he had always been told that his great-grandfather Martin Loop's father was also named Martin. Apparently someone was trying to convince him that Martin's father was instead Capt. Peter Loop. b. A typewritten draft of an article on Martin Loop, the author of which I don't know (do you know Debra?), claims Martin to be the son of Capt. Peter. Says he lived in Montgomery Co., NY and then Chenango Co., where he was murdered by his neighbor around 1820. c. Census records from Chenango County show a Martin, and Martin Jr., in 1810, and then in 1820 show a Martin, Peter and Charles. Examination of the records can yield only one interpretation. The Martin of 1820 is Martin Jr., and Peter and Charles are his younger brothers. Charles also has living with him a woman the correct age to be his widowed mother and one female too old to be his daughter who is probably his sister. In fact, all of the people in the 1810 census can be accounted for in the 1820 census, except of course Martin Sr., who has apparently died. d. Further analysis of these censuses says that if Martin Sr.'s age is correctly stated as being at least 26 but less than 45 in 1810, then he was born between about 1766 and 1784. In 1810, however, he has a son between 16 and 26 who has a child under 5. I think it fairly likely, therefore, that in 1810, he is 40 or over, which would place his birth between 1766 and 1770. The only Martins I have found near that period are: Martin the son of Capt. Peter, christened 26 JAN 1766 Martin the son of Martin and Maria Minkler, chr. 12 MAY 1765 This latter Martin may not have survived. He is not mentioned in his father's will in 1786, and only two Martin's show up in the 1790 Census, one of whom should be Ens. Hendrick's son. We know that it is not Martin the son of Ens. Hendrick, born around 1763 because we know almost all his children's names and Martin, Peter, and Charles are not among them. So, I think it very likely that Capt. Peter Loop is, indeed, the father of Martin who is the father of Peter Loop of North East, PA. But I sure would like to see some less circumstantial evidence. 3. All the Loop's appearing in the early Cortland censuses are named John. There are two of them in 1820, one in 1830, two in 1840, and two in 1850. Furthermore, all but one are residing in Solon township. The amazing thing is that they apparently represent three separate Loop lines. One of the 1820 and 1830 John Loop's is John Lawrence Loop, the son of Ens. Hendrick's son Martin. The 1840 and 1850 John Loop's are father and son, the elder being the son of Ens. Hendrick. The second John of 1820 could be Ens. Hendrick's son or Capt. Peter's son, or neither, it's hard to say at this point. 4. George Capes: In your letter to me you mention a Hank Jones who is working on the 1709 Palatines of New York. Would you send me some more information on that subject. Namely, who were the 1709 Palatines? Did Mr. Jones have any Loop information? By the way, the first issue of this newsletter, in my article about the ancestors of Capt. Peter Loop had a reference to an Elizabeth (Loop) Cooper who is obviously your ancestor. The reference is from the New York Genealogical and Biographical Register, Vol. 98, on Baptisms at the Lutheran Church, NYC, in 1737, #25.